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rely on the experts at 1800petmeds for the same medications as the vet, but for less with fast free shipping. visit petmeds.com today. good evening. the tenth day of witness testimony in the derek chauvin murder trial may prove to be one of the most important. two physicians, including the medical examiner who performed the autopsy on george floyd and ruled his death a homicide. faced intense questioning from, both, the prosecutors and the defense. a pivotal moment for a defense, that rests in large part on trying to create doubt in the mind of at-least-one juror about
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the factors that actually contributed to george floyd's death. we have our own forensic and legal experts for analysis. but first, i want to take you inside the courtroom where omar jimenez tells you the day in court. >> in one of the most highly-anticipated moments of the trial. hennepin county's chief-medical examiner, dr. andrew baker, took the stand. >> with respect to mr. -- mr. floyd, you didn't see any damage to the heart muscle? >> that is correct. >> did you note anything resembling, either, a pill or pill fragments in the stomach? >> i did not. >> reporter: his autopsy report listed the manner of death as homicide but specifically cardiopulmonary arrest complicated by law enforcement subdual. no mention of asphyxia and no physical findings to support it, either. >> in my opinion, the law enforcement subdual restraint and neck impression was more than mr. floyd could take by
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virtue of those heart conditions. >> reporter: according to testimony friday, in june, 2020, he even told investigators of george floyd, if he were found dead at home, alone, and no other, apparent causes, this could be acceptable to call an od or overdose. but he added, at the time, i'm not saying this killed him. >> have you certified deaths, as an overdose, where the level of fentanyl was similar, to the level of fentanyl in mr. floyd? >> yes. >> does methamphetamine further constrict the vessels and arteries? >> as a general rule, methamphetamine is not good for a damaged heart or heart with coronary artery disease. >> early friday, dr. lindsey thomas, a forensic pathologist and former assistant medical examiner for hennepin county took the stand. >> did you rule out drug overdose, as a cause of death? >> yes. in this case, i believe, the primary mechanism of death is
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asphyxia or low oxygen. there is no evidence to suggest he would have died, that night, except for the interactions with law enforcement. >> reporter: dr. thomas even pointing to the autopsy, itself. saying, ordinarily, that would be all she needed. not this time. >> in this case, the autopsy, itself, didn't tell me the cause and manner of death. and it really required getting all of this other, additional information. specifically, the video evidence of the terminal events to conclude the cause of death. >> reporter: a cause of death, the jurors, are now left to wrestle with. >> so, in your opinion, both, the heart disease, as well as the history of hypertension and the drug -- the drugs that were in his system, played a role in mr. floyd's death? >> in my opinion, yes. >> reporter: the prosecutors pressed the doctor, further. >> those other, contributing conditions are not conditions that you consider direct causes,
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is that true? >> they are not direct causes of mr. floyd's death. >> and omar jimenez joins us now from minneapolis. was there any sense of how the jury reacted to the chief-medical examiner's testimony? particularly, the part about heart disease and drugs? >> well, jurors were very engaged during dr. baker's testimony. especially, during cross-examination. a few of them, for example, seemed to take extra notes during the part where the -- where dr. baker talked about, if he had found george floyd inside a locked home without any, other factors, he would have considered this an overdose case. while, another juror seemed to be annoyed at the line of questioning coming from the defense. squinting his eyes and shaking his head, at various points. and these are the dynamics that really matter, at this point. how these jurors are interpreting these exchanges on, arguably, the most important topic in this trial. george floyd's cause of death. now, also, in court, we had a representative from the floyd family. who was there who had to look through these incredibly graphic
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autopsy photos. but for the first time in over a month, we actually had someone seated in the family-representative spot for derek chauvin. a woman, who appeared to be of east asian descent. testimony will continue monday. >> thanks. joined now by lawrence kobilinsky. so, professor, what did you make of what we heard today from the chief-medical examiner? >> well, the primary cause of death, cardiopulmonary arrest, was brought on by law enforcement. in other words, the subdual of -- of george floyd. the restraints that they used and the neck compression. made -- created a situation or condition that his body couldn't overcome. but the important part of dr. baker's testimony involved all of these different, significant-contributing factors. he spent a lot of time talking about mr. floyd's coronary
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arteries. two of which were occluded to the level of 70%. while, one, the other, a large -- these are large vessels -- was -- was occluded 90%. so this is a significant occlusion of these very important vessels that feed to the heart. the fentanyl level that he had, as we now know, is 11 nanograms per milliliter which is a lethal dose for a normal, healthy person. what i didn't hear much about is tolerance. george floyd was a drug abuser, and had built up a tolerance, and that's an important factor here. but fentanyl depresses respiration. also, methamphetamine is dangerous to the heart, at any level. and although, there was a small dosage, it could have impacted on the heart. the other point is, is that the restraint, created by law enforcement, created a very stressful -- physiologically, a stressful situation, that resulted in adrenaline flowing throughout his body. and adrenaline speeds up the
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heart. all of these factors create difficulties, because there isn't enough oxygen coming into the body. especially, with a anknee on th neck, compressing the area, they are a very small area where oxygen or air has to come in to feed the lungs. i found all of this fascinating, because it simply contradicted the other experts. remember, these are medical examiners dealing with postmortem cases, after death. but, somebody like, martin tobin, who is a pulmonologist dealing with living people. >> who testified yesterday. >> monitored the respiration. found it to be normal and basically said, no, fentanyl played absolutely-no role in the death. methamphetamine played no role in the death. atherosclerosis and a large heart played no role in the death. so, you know, real contradictions. these are all prosecution
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experts. so i think, eric nelson, as the defense is trying to push a point that it's the drugs, and his underlying-health conditions, his heart. and that, really, should be focused on. but i think, most people would look at the mechanism of hypoxia. ultimately, it's a lack of oxygen that caused the death. the focus of baker was on the heart. the focus of the others was the impact on the brain, resulting in an inability to breathe. >> hmm. lawrence kobilinsky, i appreciate it. thanks. i want to get perspective now from senior legal analyst, laura coates. and katherine flynn, criminal defense attorney who represented the baltimore police officer cleared in the death of freddy gray. laura, do you think the prosecution got what they needed from the chief-medical examiner to convince the jury that derek chauvin's knee to george floyd's neck in the prone position he was in is what caused floyd's death? >> i think it did only because
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it kmd at the end of other experts who laid the foundation. they are not really written to be fictionalized novel or dramatic readings. they are meant for people in their own colleague base. so he writes things like cardiopulmonary arrest. what does he mean? when he talks about complicating, is that the normal usage of the word or otherwise? the other two experts, the forensic pathologist, the pulmonologist, really laid the foundation because there is this is a very unique circumstance for normally the examiner only has the process of elimination to guide his or her analysis. but here, as was explained earlier in the testimony today by dr. thomas, that you have the benefit of the terminal event. all the steps, that led up to it. the widely-covered video, from different vantage points, to allow them to get the full complexity of what happened. and informed it. but i think his positioning and the sequence of witnesses is what was so convincing and compelling. >> katherine, the medical examiner said today while floyd had drugs in his system, they
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were contributing conditions issue not direct causes of his death. police restraint was the main cause. under the law, does that mean that the jury should find chauvin guilty? or should they take into account these other factors? >> well, i mean, that is obviously going to be up to the jury. they certainly could reach the conclusion that the state is asking for. but, you have to keep in mind, the defense is setting this up for their experts to testify. those defense experts have -- will have the opportunity to have listened to all of this evidence. and they are going to be prepared to respond, directly, to the state's evidence. and those are, i assume, highly-regarded experts and they have been well prepared. and the -- the defense is going to be prepared to answer all of those points that were established today. in order to argue to the jury that, if the experts are disagreeing as to the cause of death, that's reasonable doubt. >> yeah. i mean, laura, the defense did
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zero in on the level of fentanyl found in -- in mr. floyd's system. they were able to get the medical examiner to testify that, that amount of fentanyl, if he had been found in a hypothetical home with no -- no-other evidence, no police attack, or -- or handling. that, that could have been, you know, listed as a cause of death. how much of a problem do you think that presents for the prosecution? >> well, see, the defense can't play the games of being too cute with hypotheticals. both, prosecution and defense seem to be very weary of them because of the obvious contributions here. remember, you can't take away all the different factors. this particular fact pattern. you can't say, if there had never been a police encounter. could you say that police officers caused the death? i mean, the idea here of trying to take away and strip down, to the bare bones, to the point that it becomes absurd is very aware and obvious to a jury. so you have to be very careful about this.
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especially, because yesterday, they got caught up. the defense did, i believe, yesterday, trying to take a sliver of something. talking about whether george floyd said he ingested drugs or otherwise. be careful about this. but in any event, there is not so much contribuadiction here. remember, cardiac arrest, as has been described by multiple witnesses now, is a sudden sensation of the heart. the real issue here is the mechanism of death. how it actually occurred. and you add, to that, it was a card know pulmonary arrest, meaning the lungs and the heart stopped and they have identified the mechanism by law enforcement restraint. there is not a lot of contradiction here to point out if you are the defense. >> laura, were you surprised the medical examiner answered a hypothetical question? i mean, does one have to answer a hypothetical question? because it seems in any hypothetical setting, there are so many factors that might go into something, it's a hard question to actually answer. >> well, they are not required to answer the hypotheticals, if they have their -- you know, their own druthers outside of the courtroom. but until the judge said they
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don't have to answer the question or there is an objection that allows them not to have to answer it. they are compelled, by virtue of being a testifying witness, however, they handled it quite well. and i think it also buttresses their credibility when they are willing to answer and concede certain points. but then, you have to bring it back around, as the prosecution did to say, okay, fine. what are the facts, in this case? and remember, the jury recalls there was a 9 minute and 29 second video that reminds them there was a police encounter. and at the end of it, we are here. >> yeah. katherine, what do you think of -- of the defense, thus far? and how they are -- how they're doing? >> well, i think they're doing, generally, as well as they can. i think, you know, we have to wait and see what their experts are going to testify to. i mean, they're clearly laying the groundwork for their witnesses' testimony. they are setting it up. they're doing it bit by bit.
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what you try to do, as a defense attorney, is get pieces from every witness that you, ultimately, can weave together for your closing argument. and they are trying to present a situation so that their expert witnesses can come in and testify. and hopefully, be as equally persuasive as the state's witnesses have been. so, it's clear to me, that they are methodically building the opportunity for their witnesses to come in. and sort of, answer the questions that they have been, sort of, opening up with some of the questioning of the state's witnesses. >> katherine flynn, appreciate it. laura coates, as well. thank you. in a moment, we will more reaction to the trial. the attorney for the family of george floyd will join us. benjamin crump sharing what he believes jurors will take away from today's testimony. and whether he thinks the defense did enough to create doubt in the mind of jurors. later, congressman matt gaetz moments ago spoke to a woman's group as he faces a federal sex-trafficking probe. he told the group, quote, i have
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the defense attorney for derek chauvin spent much of his day trying to press the medical experts. and while the medical examiner did say drug use and heart disease were contributing factors, he cited floyd's encounter with police as the main factor. quote, it was the stress of that interaction that tipped him over the edge. i want to get perspective now from the floyd-family attorney, benjamin crump. mr. crump, thanks for being with us. i'm wondering, your impression of what you heard in court today? >> well, anderson, i thought it was consistent with everything that we saw on the video. everybody said that george died, as a result of the interaction with the police. even though there may have had nuances, they were very
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consistent with what the pulmonologist said, yesterday. and what we heard from the police chief and the other police that derek chauvin did, anderson cooper, was unnecessary and a violation of policy. and so, we still believe that the juries -- jurors have enough evidence to base their verdict of guilty, based on not only what they saw, but on the volume of medical testimony. >> the -- the chief-medical examiner did testify, today, that -- that heart disease and drugs, likely, played a role in mr. floyd's death. were not a direct cause. did -- do you think that -- i mean, does that concern you? does it open it up for somebody, on the jury, and, you know, it only takes one person. to have some, reasonable doubt? >> well, anderson, as i have said, many times before, we
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don't take anything for granted when it comes to a police officer being held accountable for killing a black person in america, unjustifiably. we know that, history, normally, allows the police to escape any accountability, no matter how much evidence we have. but when you think about dr. thomas, the doctor who testified before the medical examiner. who actually helped train the medical examiner. she said that it -- the manner of death is homicide. but the mechanisms of death is something that a path -- a medical examiner doesn't normally put in a report. they would refer back to the pulmonologist. and yesterday, he, chalearly, sd george floyd died, as a result of derek chauvin and the other police officers causing him not
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to be able to breathe. >> do you have a sense of -- of how long the prosecution may continue to present their case? >> well, it is our understanding that, they are nearing the end. and i know that family members are scheduled to testify, early-next week. >> do you -- i am wondering what you think of what the defense has been doing? >> well, i -- i, honestly, think the defense has done exactly what we thought they would do. they would try to distract us. they would try to have us look over here, look over there. and not focus on the video. they blamed everybody and everything, except derek chauvin. they blamed the crowd. this innuendo it's the angry, black people, who were begging for george's life, as a reason why derek chauvin kept his knee on george floyd's neck for 9 minutes and 29 seconds. they tried to blame the paramedics. they tried to blame trace
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amounts of drugs. but, anderson, we all know, when we watched that video on may 25th, 2020, what killed george floyd. and i believe the jury listened to every word of this testimony. and they know what killed george floyd. the only thing that we, all, doubt, anderson, is -- the only thing we, all, wonder, still, is can we get equal justice, in america, as a marginalized minority, when a police officer used excessive force against us? >> do you think derek chauvin will take the stand, in his own defense? >> i think, it's gonna be a very desperate attempt to salvage his defense of him taking the stand. and the more strategic the prosecution is in building this very compelling case, it may
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necessitate that derek chauvin take the stand. most lawyers would never let their client take the stand, in a case like this. >> yeah. benjamin crump, i appreciate you being with us. thank you. >> thank you, anderson. up next, republican congressman matt gaetz just wrapped up a speech moments ago to a group of women, as he faces another investigation in the wake of that federal probe, into whether he violated sex-trafficking laws. we will have the details of that, when we continue. one more bite! ♪ kraft. for the win win. cal: we've saved our money, and now we get to spend it our way. val: but we worry if we have enough to last. for retirement planning, investment advice, and more, look for a cfp® professional. cfp® professionals can help you craft a complete financial plan that gives you confidence today and tomorrow. find your cfp® professional at letsmakeaplan.org.
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the house ethics committee is opening its own investigation into the conduct of florida republican matt gaetz. he is already facing a federal investigation, started under former-attorney general bill barr that is examining allegations he had sex with an underaged girl, who was 17 at the time. and with other women, who were provided drugs and money, in violation of sex trafficking and prostitution laws. today, congressman gaetz's office, once again, denied any wrongdoing and said, quote, these allegations are blatantly false, and have not been validated by a single human being willing to put their name behind them. just moments ago, gaetz spoke to a group of conservative women at a rally in doral, florida. randi kaye has the story. >> reporter: tonight, congressman matt gaetz taking to the stage under a cloud of suspicion. promising, he is built for battle and not going anywhere. >> the smears against me range from distortions of my personal life, to wild, and i mean wild,
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conspiracy theories. i won't be intimidated by a lying media. >> reporter: still, the accusations against gaetz have at-least-one member of his own party calling for him to resign. why does rep adam kinzinger thing he should go? the accusations are stacking up. "the daily beast" now reporting that gaetz sent two late-night venmo transactions, in may, 2018, for $900, to his friend joel greenberg. a former-seminole county, florida, tax collector, and accused sex offender. the next morning, according to the outlet, in an eight-minute span, greenberg used the same app to send three young women money, totaling the same amount. >> all of these women are extremely young. >> extremely young, meaning what? >> well, one just turned 18 about six-months before that happened. >> cnn hasn't independently confirmed this report or what the money was used for. from the start, gaetz has denied doing anything wrong. >> it is a horrible allegation, and it is a lie.
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>> reporter: and, there's more. separate from the allegations of sex crimes, "the new york times" is also reporting investigators have been told of a conversation, where gaetz and a prominent-florida lobbyist discussed arranging a so-called sham candidate in a state-senate race, last year, to syphon votes from an ally's opponent. they caution that aspect of the inquiry was in its early stages. gaetz did not respond to "the times" request for comment on the allegations. all of this, starting to hit closer to home for the congressman in an unavoidable way. a liberal political action committee has put up this billboard in the florida panhandle which reads, matt gaetz wants to date your child. >> randi joins me now. so what kind of reaction did matt gaetz get at the event, tonight? >> it's interesting, anderson, because the group that organized this is called women for america, first. so, certainly, an interesting group considering the allegations that gaetz is facing. but they loved him, here. he got a lot of cheers.
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this was, certainly, friendly territory. the woman who runs this organization is a longtime supporter of donald trump. so it was friendly territory, as i said. but he was trying to bring the crowd to his side, even more so. basically, making it sound like they were all in this, together. he told the crowd, when you see the leaks in the lies and the falsehoods and the smears and the insiders forecasting my demise, they aren't really coming for me. they are coming for you. he also mentioned that this was a week full of encouragement and plenty of donations, anderson. >> yeah, he has been fundraising off this. randi, thanks very much. perspective now from harry litman, former-u.s. attorney for the western district of pennsylvania. he also served as former deputy assistant attorney general. harry, thanks for being with us. we heard randi reference "the daily beast" reporting about the alleged-venmo transactions. again, cnn has not been able to independently confirm that report. if it's accurate, how damaging could it be for congressman
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gaetz? >> well, the big thing, anderson, the web is becoming so much more tangled. in fact, the ethics committee charge actually gives a litany of the criminal allegations and we start with all the, sort of, sex, drugs, and videotape, that we have known about in his sort of frattish ways with joel greenberg. but it really is broadening now into a series of financial missteps and possible crimes, and i mean of all sorts. bribes, illegal gratuities, misuse of -- of funds. and documents. so, the venmo, itself, i think, it more so shows how sort of ham handed he was to use this, and bit way, it, quickly, was made invisible from his records, which had been public before. he also uses apple pay. there is just an overall sense of him, as a kind of entitled guy, smug, arrogant. the sort of person, really, that
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people like to see brought down. but that's in his dealings with greenberg. and what's really, i think, happening now is we are understanding it's about much, much more than, did he or didn't he have sex with an underaged minor? and rather, a whole kind of broad, potential series of crimes, that would justify the department of justice having greenberg cooperate against him. because there is enough out there. so, you'd have greenberg, and some of the women victims. and now, in the financial crimes, even, other witnesses. i think, we don't know the full letter and -- of the law. but we know that it's broader and broader. >> you know, it's interesting. i saw a number off your tweets about this and you were talking about how the department of justice, as is currently configured, they would not be looking to do a plea deal with -- with this greenberg
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character. if -- what -- what does it tell you that they are looking to do a deal with greenberg? about the potential crimes that they believe gaetz may have committed. >> i think it does tell you a lot. and you start with the premise that we now have a, sort of, conscientious, by-the-book attorney general. so, the rule is you don't cooperate down, even if you are getting a big scalp of a congressman, you need the conduct to be equally culpable. so when a prosecutor stands up in front of court yesterday and says we expect a plea. that's not a casual statement. it means it's been run, all the way through, probably, to garland, himself, since there is no deputy, yet, in -- in the seat in doj. and they've determined two things. one, that gaetz, overall, is as culpable, when everything is put together. and that's what we don't know,
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yet. and, two, that they are going to be able to use greenberg. and he is a troubled, flawed witness, of course, to give substantial assistance. they just wouldn't say it, otherwise. garland wouldn't say it, otherwise. so, of all the sorts of swirling possibilities, it was that fact, i think, that shone through as most significant. >> interesting. harry litman, appreciate you being with us. thanks very much. >> still to come. one vaccine maker requests expanded use for its vaccine for children ages 12 to 15. and later, prince philip who died at the age of 99. we will have a live report from windsor.
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rely on the experts at 1800petmeds for the same medications as the vet, but for less with fast free shipping. visit petmeds.com today. major step today in the effort to get more children vaccinated. pfizer is asking the fda to expand its emergency-use authorization, and allow 12-to-15-year-olds to get its vaccine. it's already authorized for ages 16 and up. dr. sanjay gupta joins us, now, with more. how likely is it do you think the fda will approve the pfizer
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vaccine for 12 to 15-year-olds? >> it -- it looks very promising, anderson. this is advancing the timetable. you remember, dr. fauci said it might be the fall before we see this. but now, pfizer is applying. actually, they are applying for an amendment to the emergency-use authorization. and that might expedite it even faster because they are just trying to change the existing emergency-use authorization to include this age group. if the data holds up that pfizer's released, it should be pretty promising. it had a very good side-effect profile. and there were no cases of illness, in the vaccinated group of people, in these 12-to-15-year-olds. so, we will see but it does look promising. >> there have been some reports of adverse reactions to the johnson & johnson vaccine, both, in the united states and in europe. can you kind of put it in scale and context? >> yeah. i mean, this is important to keep an eye on. again, there is significant monitoring that's going on of all the patients receiving the vaccines. four patients developed blood
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clots. one was actually during the trial and three in the -- in the rollout since then, here, in the united states. these patients developed blood clots. they are not sure if this was directly related to the vaccine or not. and that's part of what this review is going to be looking at. i should point out that about five and a half million doses have been administered in the united states. so that gives you an idea how rare this is but we will see. we have been through the same process, as you know, anderson, with astrazeneca. >> what have the trials of the pfizer vaccine in -- in -- in the age group of -- that we are now talking about -- shown? because that was the question. you know, that there hadn't been trials of this. >> right. so there's -- there's -- now, there's been these trials. and in fact, they started trials, even, on younger children as well. those results aren't out, yet. but for the 12 to 15-year-olds, half got placebo, half got the vaccine. and what they found was there were about 18 kids who got sick, in total. and all of them were in the placebo group. so, that was sort of an indicator that the vaccine was
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working well. but altso, anderson, they measue ant antibody levels. they measure these to give an idea how much immunity these kids were developing. so that was another, good sign. and then, as i mentioned, safety profile was very similar to what they have seen with other trials in older kids and adults. >> you had begun, prior to the pandemic, working on a documentary airing tomorrow night. can you tell us a little about it? >> yeah. i mean, we started working on it, you know, before the pandemic. just goes to show vaccine hesitancy is not a new phenomenon. what we really wanted to get at in this because i have always sort of wondered this, anderson. where does the anti-vaccination movement, where does it start? what are its origins? what sort of fuels it? here is a small clip. when the anti-vaccine movement started as a fringe element, there was a strategic
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decision, by the federal agencies and the scientific societies, not to talk about it. the thinking was it will just give it oxygen. >> reporter: but then, what was once fringe went mainstream. the internet and social media put the anti-vax movement on steroids. >> the federal agencies, the scientific societies, the academic societies, all, kind of, stuck to their guns, on the old strategy. don't give it oxygen. and that had a disastrous effect, because it left a vacuum that allowed this anti-vaccine lobby to really flourish. >> reporter: a lobby, hotez says, that has become well constructed, well planned, and highly effective. >> they'll target specific-ethnic groups where they think they can make headway. >> tonight, there is alarming news about the worst outbreak of measles in minnesota. >> so, they did this with the
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somali-immigrant community, in minneapolis, in 2017. >> listen to your rights. >> they held town-hall meetings, teleconferences, et cetera. convinced the somali-immigrant community, that vaccines cause autism. they responded by not vaccinating their kids. >> reporter: the result? a measles epidemic. 21 kids ended up in the hospital. it's amazing to me, anderson, just how targeted some of these anti-vax campaigns are. it's very strategic, very well organized and as you know, more relevant than ever, given what we are going through. vaccine hesitancy in this country is about 20%. and the issue is that 20% of adults don't get vaccinated, without vaccinated kids, it will be very hard to get to herd immunity. >> sanjay, look forward to that. that is the truth about vaccines airing tomorrow night 9:00 p.m. eastern here on cnn. up next, an up-close look at
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before the break, sanjay told us about a special airing this weekend that digs into vaccine hesitancy. but there is good news. more covid vaccines are going to arms of u.s. adults according to the cdc, just over one in four. some places, the challenge is getting people to sign up. jason carroll, tonight, has a look at how one state is trying to fight vaccine hesitancy. >> i have always stayed healthy. so i mean, i don't get sick. i eat right. try to stick, you know, take care of myself. >> reporter: health officials in maine are desperately trying to reach people, like jeff edgecomb. a 60-year-old truck driver who's been eligible to get the covid
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vac vaccine for more than a month but has no intention of getting one. >> do you have any concerns about covid being out there and not being vaccinated? >> no, not really. >> edgecomb is a supporter of former-president donald trump. he is not alone, in rejecting a covid vaccination. a recent poll from the kaiser family foundation shows fewer than half of republicans say they have gotten a vaccine or intend to compared with about eight in ten democrats and almost six in ten independents. that hesitancy is happening despite many gop leaders, including former president trump, encouraging people to get vaccinated. >> everybody get your shot. >> i'm not going to do it. i am the way i am. that's how it is. >> reporter: joy, a part-time hospitality and medical worker, also says her mind is made up. she will not roll up her sleeve for a shot. >> i think it's a medical and political. i'm up and down with the
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government as it is. i think that there are certain things that they put out, i don't think even know. >> reporter: even though it is shown to be safe and effective, she thinks it was rushed and concerned about possible long-term side effects. >> i have to watch and pray i don't get. >> reporter: health officials in maine are encouraged by a survey in early march showing four out of five unvaccinated adults plan they plan to get the vaccine. one of the highest. at the same time but acknowledge vaccine hesitancy could jeopardize their progress. the state's cdc director cautions it's not just politics keeping shots out of arms. >> it's not a monolith. there's a diversity of views. some folks have questions because they are skeptical of the government. other folks have questions because they are skeptical of pharmaceutical companies. other folks have questions because they are skeptical of vaccines in general. i think the trick that we as a public health community have to
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do is meet those folks where they are. >> reporter: this county has one of the highest percentages of positive covid cases in the case. on this day, volunteers from a health advocacy group are going door to door urging residents to sign up for the vaccination. they are targeting members of the immigrant community, but they will engage with anyone. >> did you get vaccinated? you don't want to? >> no. >> what if i tell you that it's medically proven, approved by doctors? i got my shot. all my team got their shots. i think it's safe. >> i don't believe in it. >> reporter: volunteers say conversations like this are not unusual. why the hesitancy? >> basically, it's something to do with conspiracy theories that's going around. >> reporter: the state is planning more outreach by mobilizing doctors to address the concerns of those across the anti-covid vaccine spectrum. they may not listen to me. they may not listen to someone
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in d.c. they will listen to their doctor. still, for some, there may be little convincing. is there anyone that could influence you to get the vaccine? >> no. >> reporter: jason carroll, cnn, portland, maine. still to come, remembering prince philip. the husband of the queen died at age 99. how the royal family will pay tribute is next.
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mourning at the loss of prince philip. max foster remembers his life and royal legacy. >> reporter: it was with great sadness that a short time ago i received word from buckingham palace that his royal highness the duke has passed away at the age of 99. he earned the affection of generations here in the united kingdom, across the commonwealth and around the world. tributes pouring in from all over the globe. the longest serving consort in uk history. by the queen's side for more than 70 years. he was born into greek and danish royalty. he renounced the titles in 1947 when he married then princess elizabeth and took british
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citizenship. by then, a decorated naval world war ii veteran. >> he fought so bravely and saved many, many men from german bombs on the ships. he was a brave and determined and devoted man in the navy. i think that was where he completely excelled. it was very difficult for him to give that up. >> reporter: a royal love story. taking a back seat publically at least to his wife the queen. >> number one job from the word go has been to support the queen. everything he does is in support of the queen. it's been one of the great royal romances, i think, of history. >> reporter: devotion and duty on display. in private, a commanding presence at patriarch of the royal family. while always at the queen's side, finding his own stride. an environmentalists before it was publically fashionable.
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was president of 800 charities. attending some 22,000 events on his own before his official retirement in 2017 at the age of 96. with news of his passing friday, mourners arrived at buckingham palace and windsor castle to pay respects to the beloved royal consort. >> this morning, i was in tears. >> reporter: while the pandemic will prevent a large scale public ceremony to remember prince philip in the days to come, the legacy he leaves is everlasting. >> her majesty said our country owed her husband a greater debt than he would ever claim or we shall ever know. >> the queen spending her first night without prince philip here at windsor castle.
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the nation speaking to the sympathy for her tonight. she's having to sign off on final details as well on the funeral. prince philip was involved in the plans but they were expecting to have a bigger one. under the current conditions, they won't be able to. it may be six people allowed in the chapel at windsor. we will see how things pan out. details tomorrow. >> max foster, thanks very much. the news continues. have a great weekend. want to hand things over to chris. welcome to "prime time." matt gaetz made his first public appearance since his sex trafficking and prostitution scandal broke. a speech to a women's group. under investigation for sexual misconduct with women. >> let me assure you, i have not yet begun to fight.